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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=559074718-02032006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If the new behavior you proposed for the Constraint Manager
is not to be hard-wired, then my</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=559074718-02032006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>last question is indeed irrelevant. Thanks for clearing
that up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
gme-users-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu
[mailto:gme-users-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Larry
H.<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
gme-users<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [gme-users] Constraint
problem<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=479302318-02032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Both
of these are legitimate reasons to use the feature I propose with
diligence, but not for disallowing it. Indeed, from the point of view of
my intended use they are both irrelevant. The amended feature proposal
does not require any changes to how folks are using GME's constraint manager
today. It just opens up some additional possibilities. What's
wrong with that?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
gme-users-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu
[mailto:gme-users-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Matthew J. Emerson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:22
PM<BR><B>To:</B> gme-users<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [gme-users] Constraint
problem<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Similarly, what
about the case where you build a large model, then go back and edit the
paradigm to include a constraint like the one you describe after-the-fact.
The constraint could never be evaluated for the existing cases where it
might be violated.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Matt<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu
[mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jeff
Parsons<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
March 02, 2006 12:20 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>] Constraint
problem</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If incorrect XML is
generated and imported into GME, and the part of the model corresponding to
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">the incorrect XML
is not modified by the modeler, what event would trigger the
check?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Larry
H.<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March
02, 2006 12:15 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>] Constraint
problem</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks
Jeff, this helps clarify my
proposal.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I propose instead
the ability to say that a constraint should be checked exclusively
on the associated events.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think that this
would put things nicely into the hands of the
meta-modeler.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu
[mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>-bounces@list.isis.vanderbilt.edu]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jeff
Parsons<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
March 02, 2006 10:56 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>] Constraint
problem</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What about the
case where GME is used with other tools, for example one that
generates</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">XML for GME to
import. If this tool had a bug and generated something that violated
the</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">constraint in
question, wouldn't "Check All" be the only way to catch
it?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<st1:PersonName
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Larry
H.<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
March 02, 2006 10:32 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">gme-users</st1:PersonName>] Constraint
problem</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm having a problem
defining a constraint that concerns a change in number of
children in a container. My intention is to check
this constraint on an event, like "onlostchild", and to prevent
the action by setting the constraint's Priority=1. My problem is
to find an approach that does not subsequently trigger a violation
when the user chooses the 'Check All' action of the Constraint
Manager.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is my current belief
that there is no way to define such a constraint. The reason is
that the focus of this constraint is "change", whereas the focus
of the Constraint Manager, in general, is "current
state". Constraints concerning "change"
typically involve knowing "state before" and "state after". Have
I failed to consider
something?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One thing that occurs to
me is that the Constraint Manager might consider not checking
constraints on "Check All" that are checked on events with
Priority=1. The intuition is that, since such event-based
constraints can only result in aborting the action, there is simply no
reason to check them again on "Check All". Such a feature would
allow the desired constraint to be defined quite simply with a "false"
predicate.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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